I was interviewed on WMCB radio (107.9 FM) in Greenfield, Massachusetts, the day after Barack Obama was elected President of the United States. The interviewer was Tom Maclean, a regular host on the low-power community station. He and I engaged in an hour of conversation, sharing thoughts, memories, concerns, doubts, and hopes about where we are heading in these historic times. Here is a podcast, just over one hour long:
And here is an approximate timeline of the podcast with notes about what we were discussing at each segment:
~ 2:30 – interview starts after musical introduction
~ 4:10 – 1960′s enthusiasm and tumult
~ 7:15 – flower children and root children
~ 8:50 – “pointing us toward ourselves”
~ 9:53 – danger of disillusionment, especially for young voters
~ 11:30 – politics is not a “game”
~ 15:30 – environmental damage; Hopi prophecy
~ 17:30 – living in balance
~ 20:20 – burning food for fuel (corn ethanol)
~ 21:15 – 5% consuming 25% not sustainable
~ 23:10 – Hopi Fourth World; greed
~ 24:00 – indigenous learning
~ 24:40 – scale and speed; planetary consciousness
~ 25:45 – New American century?
~ 26:30 – African-American president
~ 28:30 – America = diversity
~ 30:20 – 9/11; what New York City means
~ 30:45 – Somalia rape/stoning; limits to religious practice
~ 33:53 – dysfunctional Family of Abraham
~ 36:30 – where next? truth and food
~ 38:20 – wish lists and triage
~ 41:00 – CEO salaries; inequality within the 5%
~ 41:45 – capitalism imploding
~ 42:00 – money like water; “free market” and law
~ 43:39 – force and wealth
~ 44:50 – money is debt; libertarians
~ 45:30 – John Lewis; slavery in the Constitution
~ 46:30 – racism; no clean flag
~ 47:40 – naming history; patriotism; the NRA
~ 48:50 – Bill of Rights
~ 49:50 – presidential term limit amendment
~ 52:10 – nation states; bioregional organizations; devolution
~ 55:20 – conflict is real; opportunity
~ 57:30 – compassion and common good
~ 59:30 – me and I
~ 1:00:00 – life is living us
~ 1:02:40 – trusting ourselves to talk; Palin’s black shirts
As I listen, now well into the Obama administration, to what we said that morning after, I feel we did a pretty good job exploring the promises and pitfalls of what may come. Our focus in the conversation was the big picture of history and social change. Each of us has been active in political and social movements for several decades. We drew on our experiences to celebrate a momentous election with what might be called “optimistic skepticism.”